Get a clue, you have no clue what the mainstream wants.  How many UMPC's sold in all of 2007? not many as only 350k sold between every single brand and model worldwide.

A 7" x 3.6" x 1" UMPC will fit into any jacket pocket Krusty.  99% of the world uses full windows with a touch type keyboard and they have proven they will not buy UMPC's with thumb or pen input.  Thus until a UMPC provides both a small size to carry in a jacket pocket and a touch type keyboard, they will continue to be unpopular computers that only techno geeks buy and you are not in the mainstream Krusty.

Who has the best UMPC?

I do :lol: my R2H is the best :lol:

I see I'm reading the same comments as a couple of years ago from the same people that never touched one but they know how it feels... it's a pitty really.. Anyways, feels so good to be a geek :-)

Primaz:

Get a clue, you have no clue what the mainstream wants.  How many UMPC's sold in all of 2007? not many as only 350k sold between every single brand and model worldwide.

At first I was going to ask where you got that number, cause from what I've seen there aren't sales figures like that. Then I saw it was you, the guy who likes making statistics up. So nevermind, I know your figure was made up.

Primaz:

You do not read very well do you?  I want a 7" long and 3.5-4" wide screen and yes that is jacket size

That is not jacket pocket sized. That is clown pants pocket sized. UMPCs were not meant to have demand beyond geeks. Sacrifices were made that mainstream users wouldn't be able to deal with, as you have clearly demonstrated. It takes a so-called geek to be able to deal with and adapt with UMPCs sacrifices (processing power, user interface, resolution, no CD/DVD, limited input capabilities, etc) UMPCs are not, nor were they ever meant for mainstream users. The Tablet PC was. The UMPC was for those who could put up with certain sacrifices in exchange for ultra mobility.

Anyone who needs a mouse pointer on a tablet pc just dosent get it!

NeoTechni:

Primaz:

Get a clue, you have no clue what the mainstream wants.  How many UMPC's sold in all of 2007? not many as only 350k sold between every single brand and model worldwide.

At first I was going to ask where you got that number, cause from what I've seen there aren't sales figures like that. Then I saw it was you, the guy who likes making statistics up. So nevermind, I know your figure was made up.

Forbes December 2007 had an article which cited IDC stating that the worldwide UMPC total sales was 350,000 units. Also the SF Weekly had an article about OQO since they are a local SF company.  They listed their total sales of 20 million and using say an average of 1500 per sale of an OQO with accessories which is conservative as their accessories can bring the total over 2K and approach 3K, will yield a yearly sales of 13,333 units.  

The reality of all UMPC's is that full windows is used with a touch type keyboard and yes the mainstream would love a jacket pocket version of their laptop but it must replicate a similar way to use full windows.  Not by your thumbs or pen only input.

And yes a typical jacket pocket for sport coats, business suits, etc. are able to handle a computer about 7.4" x 4.25" x 1.4" in size.  The more thin and narrow the dimensions would make it easy to carry. 

The only clown is you whom work in some other realm?  maybe you forgot to take your medication, are you on prozac or should be?

Here are some market facts even Krusty's best friend can't dispute.

Past sales figures of clown sized UMPC:

2006 Zero
2007 Zero

Projected sales figures of clown sized UMPC:

2008 Zero
2009 Zero
2010 Zero

From these market realities, we can conclude that ordinary UMPCs are infinitely more successful than the clown pants poketable, touch typable contraption our friend here so desires.

i have an asus. it starred out with xp, but i wwnt ahead and installed vista and it seems to work ok.

knock on wood

 

Primaz:

The reality of all UMPC's is that full windows is used with a touch type keyboard and yes the mainstream would love a jacket pocket version of their laptop but it must replicate a similar way to use full windows.  Not by your thumbs or pen only input.

No, the reality is YOU want that, NOT the mainstream

You do not speak for everyone

Primaz:

And yes a typical jacket pocket for sport coats, business suits, etc. are able to handle a computer about 7.4" x 4.25" x 1.4" in size. 

Typical, for clown pants. 7 inches of anything won't fit in any normal pocket.

Again no facts! then you resort to being an childish Canadian.

Mainstream is not UMPC's so far as the sales still are so weak.  The so called netbook UMPC's sell and you know why Krusty Kanadian, its the keyboard dude, they have keyboards and your slates do not.

UMPC's are not able to be very many peoples primary computer and thus no sales.  For cheap people will buy a netobook since it has a keyboard.  UMPC's need to fill a real demand to be popular.  What they can do is design a true laptop in your pocket with a touch type keyboard that will have big demand for business users whom can afford to spend a bit more for increased mobility of not lugging a laptop sized computer all the time but only if it has a decent touch type keyboard.

Actually, though the lack of a keyboard on slate UMPCs may be a contributing factor, I think the larger issue is with price. When you can purchase a decent notebook for the same price that you can also purchase a UMPC, the issue then becomes a question of what you get for the money spent. While a part of that is probably the lack of a keyboard if the UMPC is a slate tablet, I think the bigger value proposition is that you have less screen real estate and crappy battery life at the same price point as a decent notebook. (More if you buy a cheapo laptop.)

Woadan

Primaz:

Again no facts! then you resort to being an childish Canadian.

Mainstream is not UMPC's so far as the sales still are so weak.  The so called netbook UMPC's sell and you know why Krusty Kanadian, its the keyboard dude, they have keyboards and your slates do not.

UMPC's are not able to be very many peoples primary computer and thus no sales.  For cheap people will buy a netobook since it has a keyboard.  UMPC's need to fill a real demand to be popular.  What they can do is design a true laptop in your pocket with a touch type keyboard that will have big demand for business users whom can afford to spend a bit more for increased mobility of not lugging a laptop sized computer all the time but only if it has a decent touch type keyboard.

UMPC=UMP+UMK

Ultra-Mobile-PC means Ultra-Mobile-Projector plus Ultra-Mobile-Keyboard. UMPC should be as small as possible. With the UMP, the screen should be about 3 to 30 inches diagonal. The keyboard should be as small as a pen yet having a speed of a QWERTY. Once an UMP and an UMK are obtained, there goes the UMPC. Then the cell phones, the PDAs, the laptops, and the desktops will find the same way.

Of all the UMPCs produced by all the manufacturers nowadays there has been a big problem: whenever they attempt to have a small screen, there is no enough space for so many keys of a keyboard to be as quick as a QWERTY. If an UMP is used, the screen will be either bigger or smaller. If an UMK is used, the keyboard will be small yet quick.

Of almost all the keyboards or touch-screens to the present, they just have the same operation method: press and then release. Thus one input requires two motions altogether. What if pressing onto one key to give one input and then releasing to another key to give another input?

I hereby recommend a pen like keyboard, with every motion you will move from one key position to another, making the operation twice as fast as before.

See details @ http://opqrest.blog.sohu.com/82042354.html.

 

Primaz:

Again no facts! then you resort to being an childish Canadian.

Um, calling me childish is in itself being childish. Using my place of origin is called racism/xenophobia

Primaz:

Mainstream is not UMPC's so far as the sales still are so weak. 

Because it's not, nor was it ever meant for the mainstream.

Primaz:

The so called netbook UMPC's sell and you know why Krusty Kanadian, its the keyboard dude, they have keyboards and your slates do not.

My slates? What do you mean by that? I'm not saying slates are the best model, I haven't been defending slates. I've been saying you're full of crap.

Primaz:

UMPC's are not able to be very many peoples primary computer

And never were meant to be. They were from the start meant to be, and called by microsoft, "a companion pc". As in, a companion to a full PC. The lack of a CD/DVD drive alone shows that. And shows it wasn't meant for mainstream. The fact that UMPCs can't be very powerful is more proof of that. The smaller computers get the less processing power they can have. They are limited by battery power, cost (smaller hardware costs more) and the laws of thermal dynamics (the more powerful hardware gets, the more heat it puts out. Batteries don't like this for example)

Primaz:

What they can do is design a true laptop in your pocket with a touch type keyboard that will have big demand for business users

No it wouldn't. No keyboard that fits in your pocket is going to be good enough to drive the demand you claim. No screen small enough to fit in your pocket will be usable as a proper Windows PC, since you can't grasp the whole companion pc concept.

The iPhone is what everyone but you calls pocket sized. Do you really think you can shrink 800*480 down to that when it's 320*480 as it is?

The buttons on a keyboard are only useful if they are larger than the size of surface of the finger that makes contact with it, basic ergonomic fact. You simply cant fit enough of normal sized buttons on a pocket sized device.

And for God's sakes, quit bring this up in every damned topic. You're at what, 40 now? Give it a rest.

I believe one of these to be the best of the current UMPCs currently available. I would use my UMPC mostly for email and surfing. m sure some people want gps and others want better battery life.
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I agree with u!   Where are they?  Is anybody making the kind of UMPC u speak of?

Have u found that UMPC that is under $1000 not weighty packed with specs: 1G ram, Wifi, touchscreen, full sized keyboard, usb ports, built-in web cam and battery that lasts 8 hours? I need a netbook, umpc or whatever u want to call it because of my disability. I cannot hold a heavy computer for long periods of time and i need something that fits in a backpack easily (including battery). I desperately need the portability because it allows me to get out the pain I experience sitting at a desktop for long periods. I yearned for something in the category because it somewhere between my T-Mobile Wing and HP Desktop. I need the umpc to be powerful enough to run programs like Adobe Acrobat and Photoshop and easily access the web from anywhere like I do on my Wing.  Any leads?