a2_q1b:

I updated my original post with the results for a second OSMark test. I started the first test with the Q1b unplugged, and as displayed in the OSMark output the processor was running at 400 MHz. The second test was performed with the Q1b plugged in (processor running at 1000 MHz).

OSMark for the second test is 364 (same as eo V7110).

This is the No that I was expecting. The same heart and the same graphic chip can´t give you different results. But... Samsung has done a very good job configuring this device to get 3.5 hours of battery when the eo only gets a little more than 2 hours.

Have you checked the C3 State?

Hm, so is the Samsung Q1b actually running at 400 MHz whenever you carry it around? Or can you crank this up to the full 1 GHz whenever you want? I probably wont use an UMPC plugged into the mains as much, and I expect it to perform well when unplugged. This sounds like a major loss in cpu power when unplugged if you ask me.

johncl:

Hm, so is the Samsung Q1b actually running at 400 MHz whenever you carry it around? Or can you crank this up to the full 1 GHz whenever you want? I probably wont use an UMPC plugged into the mains as much, and I expect it to perform well when unplugged. This sounds like a major loss in cpu power when unplugged if you ask me.

You can control that using the Power Manager or Programs like NHC. If you take the profile for maximum performance while working on Battery the CPU will work at 1 GHz the whole time but your battery will last less.

a2_q1b:

There is a touch panel input app that allows one to change the way single clicks are interpreted. For example, normal mode registers a single mouse click as soon as you touch the screen. I use this setting when writing in the TIP. Another setting registers a single mouse click after the pen has been released and then only if the pen has not moved. I use the latter setting when I want to hover over items.

-Chris 

This is a really nice touch! I hope I could have this feature in my Q1.

edit: Ctitanic got a few posts in while I was typing up there. He's the fastest poster in the land!
I'm talking about the 400Mhz clockrate below.

I'd also be intrested to know this.

I've seen on the i7210 that the BIOS overrides the clock divider and knocks it down to 8x instaead of 10x. (i havent confirmed this. It could be some sorrt of speed step lock) Software like Notebook Hardware Control have no chance of pushing it back up to 1Ghz.
 It doesn't make much difference but with Digital TV (DVB for example) it can mean the difference betwen choppiness and smooth video.

As there is no speed-step on the ASUS, I guess the BIOS is controling the clock divider.
Edit. Scrub that last line. I had by R2H head on.

Steve.

chippy:

edit: Ctitanic got a few posts in while I was typing up there. He's the fastest poster in the land!
I'm talking about the 400Mhz clockrate below.

I'd also be intrested to know this.

I've seen on the i7210 that the BIOS overrides the clock divider and knocks it down to 8x instaead of 10x. (i havent confirmed this. It could be some sorrt of speed step lock) Software like Notebook Hardware Control have no chance of pushing it back up to 1Ghz.
 It doesn't make much difference but with Digital TV (DVB for example) it can mean the difference betwen choppiness and smooth video.

As there is no speed-step on the ASUS, I guess the BIOS is controling the clock divider.
Edit. Scrub that last line. I had by R2H head on.

Steve.

So that means that while on battery the performance is going to be less no matter what you do because of this trick in the BIOS of overrriding the clock divider?

Well, in eo v7110 I can garantee you that you can switch to 1 GB while you are on battery. I'm not using right now NHC in my Q1 with a Celeron but RightMark Clock Utility. But you can almost do the same with this one too. Let me check what is the clock multiplier while on battery in Q1.

chippy:

edit: Ctitanic got a few posts in while I was typing up there. He's the fastest poster in the land!
I'm talking about the 400Mhz clockrate below.

I'd also be intrested to know this.

I've seen on the i7210 that the BIOS overrides the clock divider and knocks it down to 8x instaead of 10x. (i havent confirmed this. It could be some sorrt of speed step lock) Software like Notebook Hardware Control have no chance of pushing it back up to 1Ghz.
 It doesn't make much difference but with Digital TV (DVB for example) it can mean the difference betwen choppiness and smooth video.

As there is no speed-step on the ASUS, I guess the BIOS is controling the clock divider.
Edit. Scrub that last line. I had by R2H head on.

Steve.

I´ll check the same screen when I get home to see if the multipliers have changed when connected to power.

Wow, it sounds like we have an overall very good umpc in the Q1b. Thanks Chris(a2_q1b).  

Myself, i've been back and forth deciding on a R2H, Q1b, Vega, V7210, or the Q1P. They all have their positives.

I've also debated about waiting for the smaller 5" screen Averatec AHI coming in early 2007 as that is a R2H with a lighter weight and hopefully a built-in stand. I read that the AHI will have two versions with one having a small dock and the other with 3G, GPS, and a larger dock with a dvd drive. 

A tough decision to make now as Newegg is showing "in stock" and "out of stock" for some of them on a daily basis. As for other retailers, I contacted dynamism.com to see if they were going to carry the Q1b but they said they had to special order it for $999(not $899). They will have the Vega shipping on Halloween.

I'm really glad we have these forums. I think the Q1b is in the lead so far at least with me.   Jerry.

ignar:

I decided to go for an Asus. I've considered R2H before, but disappointing battery life turned my interest off. But, I've learned US version will be shipped with high capacity battery which reportedly will last 4 hours. The downside is it will be heavier (R2H is already a bit heavier than Q1B, so I'm somewhat concerned). On the other hand, it has GPS, camera, and faster CPU compared to Q1B, and better looks IMO. It will be here tomorrow, and I just wish this one comes without any defects. ;)

Any thoughts on your Asus, Ignar? Actually, maybe that would be better in another thread.

Edit: Oops -- looks like they aren't shipping these just yet.

Insider,

Short answer: R2H is OK, but I was quite disappointed at its thickness and weight.

Long answer: http://origamiproject.com/forums/thread/12764.aspx and http://www.gottabemobile.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=506

My review is finally up.  Check it out here.

propstm:

My review is finally up.  Check it out here.

Propstm.net has published a review about of Samsung Q1b UMPC. This is the second UMPC in the market using VIA C7 processor and the first one fully configured to use this processor at highest level. That review shows you some benchmark results where you can see the Q1b out performing the eo v7110 in both, graphics and performance tests. The Q1b is currently the UMPC with better Battery Life in the market.

I'm really impressed but at the same time I was not expecting anything else from Samsung which as a lot more experience and resources than Amtek.

Way to go Samsung!

Published at Ultranauts.com

I received a Q1B today. This time, everything seems perfect. :)  Compared to R2H, Q1 is definitely thinner, lighter and easier to hold. Click on the picture to see some comparison shots.

Ignar, can you do me a HUGE favor?

Now that you've got both of the UMPC's i'd been choosing between, would you mind writing up a review comparing the functionaility of the devices "out of the box"  what is better/worse. 

I'd changed my mind because the waiting for ASUS was killing me.  that and pricing was a bit high last I'd heard.

I'm looking specifically for (weight and shape aside) how does battery life for "normal use" compare, what UMPC gives you more tools (which you would use within normal use) out of the box.  And honestly, how is the ASUS camera?

I had convinced myself that I wouldn't live or die by the GPS and camera, and I didn't necessarily need them, so decided to go with the Q1b.  Does the ASUS bring anything else to the table with the R2H?  Also what do you think is a superior machine weight and shape aside?

Thanks!

-Matt

Hi and thank you for the review and the comparison shots you made. I have one question though. Does the Samsing Q1b come with the 3-cell battery or the 6-cell? If you get 3 hours out of your 3-cell then Samsung has really made an incredible piece of technology here. Compare this to the R2H you have pictured here with the 8-cell extended battery (which is standard i US model) which hardly have enough juice for 3 hours from what I have heard.

Some questions:

The extended battery for the Q1 doesnt make the unit thicker right? It only makes it a bit taller I think?

If you can, compare the weights of the units with and without batteries inserted. The Q1 seems to be quite a bit lighter than the Asus R2H.

Also, if someone has the Celeron Q1 or the R2H or the Pentium Q1 - can you run the same 3dmark2001 benchmark with the power plug in (full speed cpu)? I'd like to see what the difference between these processors are.

Finally, if anyone know this - does the Samsung Q1 Pentium version have the new bright screen? (I guess not since everything else is equal to the original Q1).