People:

The Samsung Q1 could have been best world without any discussion.

The idiotic absence of trackpoint is indamissible and completely returns it except race.

 

 

I made a program that uses the dpad nub as a trackpoint, and you can hold the menu button down to make it one

Asus EeePC is the best UMPC as per the various opinion polls.

If a device with 2-4GB storage is the best UMPC, I would wonder if these people know what a PC is ? The Eee is good for people who never had or could afford a PC before. This is where the goodness of it ends.

Although, I believe the Eee will wet people's apetite for more capable PC's. So I would say the Eee is the best transitional 'UMPC' (I would see it more as a laptop) for many new comers to PC's. I am skeptical the Eee can capture the wallets of experienced PC's user who would make up the majority of the satisfied UMPC buyers.

The Eee is a limited utility device that cannot compete with UMPC's that are like fully capable PC's. You get what you pay for. I think the Eee owner will realise his limitations very quickly when he tries to work with files from school or work, or when he tries to run downloaded programs, or when he download even a modest amount of music or videos.

I'm holding it in my hand - an Asus R2H. Had it a year and it is still great.

Came with lots of extras:  a folding key board!, a funny usb pc to pc connector thats proved very useful, built in cam that has been excelent with skype, a gps (built in) that has actually, though not always, got me to places I've never been before, a great dvbTV stick and more. All for half the price of a full sized tablet.

By the way an excelent experience using the company when things went wrong. If this dream machine ever dies I want another one please.

DevDoo6:

If a device with 2-4GB storage is the best UMPC, I would wonder if these people know what a PC is ? The Eee is good for people who never had or could afford a PC before. This is where the goodness of it ends.

Although, I believe the Eee will wet people's apetite for more capable PC's. So I would say the Eee is the best transitional 'UMPC' (I would see it more as a laptop) for many new comers to PC's. I am skeptical the Eee can capture the wallets of experienced PC's user who would make up the majority of the satisfied UMPC buyers.

The Eee is a limited utility device that cannot compete with UMPC's that are like fully capable PC's. You get what you pay for. I think the Eee owner will realise his limitations very quickly when he tries to work with files from school or work, or when he tries to run downloaded programs, or when he download even a modest amount of music or videos.

 

uuuuuh...

I think I know some about PCs and UMPCs but I can still love my Eee...

.. and yes, it can ( and does ) compete with other UMPCs.. I dished HTC Shift for it. ( i bought 2 for less :) )

.. my 8GB sd cards hold plenty of stuff ..some umpcs have less room after vista and backup ( 30/40GB drive umpcs like u810 and shift )

I know that some people think that Eee is just a toy, but it's better build than some other umpcs it has durable ssd and a good keyboard. . and those i need for work. I use it for all my mobile computing needs at work while mobile so it is pretty capable.

Mine is special with touch and 3g but many could live without touch and use mini bt dongle for tethering..

Primaz,

I'm new here. I have just read the argument you were having with the others and you have my total support. I absolutely concur with your idea that UMPCs should be small, pocket-sized and come with a decent keyboard for one to touch type.

It's just a natural progression, an evolution if you must, of the laptop; only now it's smaller, thus handier. One uses the laptop to input important stuff and you don't really do that while balancing the gadget on your thigh, do you? Similarly, you need to use the UMPC on a flat surface. What's the issue with that? I'm more than fine with it.

I was at Sushi King recently when I realised I needed to input something quickly - rather lengthy text in my mind that I needed to record before I forgot everything. Then I realised, how wonderful it would have been, had I brought along a nifty, UMPC that was superlight, that could slip into my pocket easily, and that had a touch type keyboard for quick inputting.

Initially, I thought of the OQO model e2 then I decided, that would not have been "friendly" because, while it is quite small, there's not keyboard attached, and it would have been too cumbersome to afix a separate keyboard to the gadget at Sushi King.

I've tried the Lifebook U1010 and that would not have cut it either; the keyboard is still too small for touch-typing.

In so saying, I implore you to tell me if there is something better out there, besides the Samsung SPH 9200  - an even smaller UMPC with a faster processor,( 2 GHz maybe?) built in touch-type keyboard, with bigger storage space (120GB?), and with all the bells and whistles, (WIFI, HSPDA, WIMAX, Bluetooth, etc, etc, etc) with it.

 Truly appreciate some response. Thanks. My email is hishamharum@yahoo.com Thanks again.

if u insist a KB then Eee is a good option.  the new version on the block has t. screen, bigger ssd, and offer xp as an option (at some extra $).  in addition, A company released SDK for the linux version and i assume soon lots of free and great linuz/opensource s/w will be ported over & making eee a even better 'toy' - if anyone would like to call it ;-)

UMPC/MID & Eee are, imho, not in the same catogary, as Eee is more like a sub-nb (esp. the KB!) where UMPC/MID are more like beefed up PND, PMPor cellphone yet getting ever larger for human hand.

BTW, Q1 is indeed great ;-)

don't worry, next gen is on the way ... but seems to run V as M$ is pushing it... ;-)

lshih123:

don't worry, next gen is on the way ... but seems to run V as M$ is pushing it... ;-)

ooops sorry, new to the forum ...  it's addressed to sparkx...

lshih123:

lshih123:

don't worry, next gen is on the way ... but seems to run V as M$ is pushing it... ;-)

ooops sorry, new to the forum ...  it's addressed to sparkx...

And it is always nice to call MS with bad names on there own forums.

(btw I like Vista better then XP, mainly because of its better explorer)

I'd like to try that program. My NP-Q1U/P01 should be here Monday.

hishamharum:

Primaz,

I'm new here. I have just read the argument you were having with the others and you have my total support. I absolutely concur with your idea that UMPCs should be small, pocket-sized and come with a decent keyboard for one to touch type.

It's just a natural progression, an evolution if you must, of the laptop; only now it's smaller, thus handier. One uses the laptop to input important stuff and you don't really do that while balancing the gadget on your thigh, do you? Similarly, you need to use the UMPC on a flat surface. What's the issue with that? I'm more than fine with it.

I was at Sushi King recently when I realised I needed to input something quickly - rather lengthy text in my mind that I needed to record before I forgot everything. Then I realised, how wonderful it would have been, had I brought along a nifty, UMPC that was superlight, that could slip into my pocket easily, and that had a touch type keyboard for quick inputting.

Initially, I thought of the OQO model e2 then I decided, that would not have been "friendly" because, while it is quite small, there's not keyboard attached, and it would have been too cumbersome to afix a separate keyboard to the gadget at Sushi King.

I've tried the Lifebook U1010 and that would not have cut it either; the keyboard is still too small for touch-typing.

In so saying, I implore you to tell me if there is something better out there, besides the Samsung SPH 9200  - an even smaller UMPC with a faster processor,( 2 GHz maybe?) built in touch-type keyboard, with bigger storage space (120GB?), and with all the bells and whistles, (WIFI, HSPDA, WIMAX, Bluetooth, etc, etc, etc) with it.

 Truly appreciate some response. Thanks. My email is hishamharum@yahoo.com Thanks again.

 

Hishhamharum,

I think this is finally a device that will be sold in Japan in June and offered through third pary resellers: Dynamism, Conics.net and Direct from Japan.  I am still hoping that Sharp may make one specific to one of the US cell phone companies as they just did for Willcom?

http://www.willcom-inc.com/d4/index.html

http://www.handtops.com/blog/229/0/New_Handheld_Sharp_has_just_released_the_D4_UMPC_handheld.html

I do like the Samsung SPH P9200 but so far it seems like nobody is selling them so it might stay a Korea only computer?

This new Sharp is very cool as it is much more jacket pocket in size.  It is not perfect as I would have prefered to see them keep the screen 7" in length and eliminate the scroll feature around the smaller 5" screen, and I would have prefered a better keyboard as they as Sharp do waste space on the sides and could have made the keyboard larger still in that same space as Psion and HP Jornada did with better keyboards in the same space.  It is still a very cool device as it runs Vista, has wifi, bluetooth, runs the Atom chips, 40 gig drive, and number of cool specs in a computer 3.3" x 7.4" x 1".  I just might buy?

Primaz:

I think this is finally a device that will be sold in Japan in June and offered through third pary resellers: Dynamism, Conics.net and Direct from Japan.  I am still hoping that Sharp may make one specific to one of the US cell phone companies as they just did for Willcom?

http://www.willcom-inc.com/d4/index.html

http://www.handtops.com/blog/229/0/New_Handheld_Sharp_has_just_released_the_D4_UMPC_handheld.html

I do like the Samsung SPH P9200 but so far it seems like nobody is selling them so it might stay a Korea only computer?

This new Sharp is very cool as it is much more jacket pocket in size.  It is not perfect as I would have prefered to see them keep the screen 7" in length and eliminate the scroll feature around the smaller 5" screen, and I would have prefered a better keyboard as they as Sharp do waste space on the sides and could have made the keyboard larger still in that same space as Psion and HP Jornada did with better keyboards in the same space.  It is still a very cool device as it runs Vista, has wifi, bluetooth, runs the Atom chips, 40 gig drive, and number of cool specs in a computer 3.3" x 7.4" x 1".  I just might buy?

While that is pretty and small, it's neither pocket sized, nor has the "touch" type keyboard you won't stop begging for.

And I find it odd you're now asking for a 7 inch screen, when that alone would prohibit the device from being pocket sized, and proves me right when I said you don't want a smaller screen in the first place.

Have you finally come to your senses and now want a device that won't strain your eyes?

"And I find it odd you're now asking for a 7 inch screen, when that alone would prohibit the device from being pocket sized, and proves me right when I said you don't want a smaller screen in the first place.

Have you finally come to your senses and now want a device that won't strain your eyes? "

You do not read very well do you?  I want a 7" long and 3.5-4" wide screen and yes that is jacket size.  That is what the Psion, HP Jornada 720's had, which enabled 1/2 vga and touch typing input all in a jacket size form factor.

Until UMPC's provide a device this shape you will continue to see the same results - weak sales.  The mainstream wants a computer small enough to carry around everywhere but we want full windows.  Full Windows requires a touch type keyboard to be functional.  The form factor of the HPC clamshells is the perfect shape for a UMPC that will actually have demand beyond geeks.

For 99% of people a seven inch device cannot fit easily and comfortably in any of their pockets. Only Krusty himself or people who borrowed his pants can do that. The clowns are definitely not in the mainstream.

You can no more have a half VGA than have a half bicycle with one wheel. Maybe you can borrow Krusty's unicycle and travel to an evening class to learn some basic technology. The specification of a mordern PC is that it must be at the minimum have a VGA. Half VGA is not a PC. Such a device cannot be called a UMPC.  What you are looking for is a UM-KRUSTY-C.